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Dave here, new member of this tribe. I’m a single FT parent with no financial help from the ex, little physical help, either. I’ve been on a leave of absence from work for 8 weeks and will be going back to work Monday. I took it because for several months leading up to November, fatigue, pain, memory loss, and numbness had increased to intolerable levels. When I started the leave, I figured that after 8 weeks of total rest, I would be back to normal. It hasn’t happened. My general physician sent me to a neurologist and the neurologist has sent me to UCSF MS Center. My first appointment is January 16th. I’ve had a brain MRI performed (August, 2007), a back MRI, spinal tap, and sleep study performed. I have not been diagnosed with anything yet, save a bad case of Restless Leg Syndrome.
My symptoms include:
~ Whole left side of body is tingly, sometimes numb, sometimes to the point of being painful
~ RLS
~ Sleep disorders
~ Short term memory loss
~ Insomnia
~ Decreasing tolerance of heat
~ Difficulty prioritizing important tasks
~ Geographical disorientation
~ Chronic fatigue
~ Chronic (deep/sharp) aches and pains
~ Depression
I’m not sure what I’ve got, all I know is that I’m in pain and I’m tired, and it doesn’t go away. I have some days that aren’t as bad as others, but overall, I’m scared shitless about going back to work Monday.
The hardest part is the waiting. And reading stories about wheelchairs and diapers. (I was on a nationally ranked athletic team in college.)
I have read stories about working/playing/living through the pain, but I wonder what thresholds I read of. I have extremely sharp and deep pains mostly in my shoulders, getting up out of chairs and beds can be very painful as well. My legs feel like they are on fire, and the left side of my body is tingly and getting worse. I can type and drive, but I don’t know if I can last 8 hours/day, 5 days /week.
Apologies if you see this posted more than once, but I just didn’t know which was the most appropriate tribe.
Dave
My symptoms include:
~ Whole left side of body is tingly, sometimes numb, sometimes to the point of being painful
~ RLS
~ Sleep disorders
~ Short term memory loss
~ Insomnia
~ Decreasing tolerance of heat
~ Difficulty prioritizing important tasks
~ Geographical disorientation
~ Chronic fatigue
~ Chronic (deep/sharp) aches and pains
~ Depression
I’m not sure what I’ve got, all I know is that I’m in pain and I’m tired, and it doesn’t go away. I have some days that aren’t as bad as others, but overall, I’m scared shitless about going back to work Monday.
The hardest part is the waiting. And reading stories about wheelchairs and diapers. (I was on a nationally ranked athletic team in college.)
I have read stories about working/playing/living through the pain, but I wonder what thresholds I read of. I have extremely sharp and deep pains mostly in my shoulders, getting up out of chairs and beds can be very painful as well. My legs feel like they are on fire, and the left side of my body is tingly and getting worse. I can type and drive, but I don’t know if I can last 8 hours/day, 5 days /week.
Apologies if you see this posted more than once, but I just didn’t know which was the most appropriate tribe.
Dave
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Sat, January 12, 2008 - 9:05 AMKeep us posted Dave. This the right place. -
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 12:15 PMThank you all for your replies and support.
In late November, I started the leave of absence. I pretty much did nothing but sleep the first week, and then started to feel much better for about the next nine days or so. I thought that if this is all I needed, then I should have no problem going back to work, possibly even earlier than at first anticipated. I slid back into pain and fatigue for most of December and into the first of January. I was starting to get worried again that I would be returning to work in pain and fatigue, when I started to feel better for the second time in 8 weeks. Still getting lots of sleep. The first two days of work weren't bad this week, but the last three were noticabely worse.
My boss knew I was having difficulties both physically and psychologically, he even knows I'm going to UCSF MS center when he wrote me up big time this week for mistakes made before I left and was not able to catch and correct on my own. Talk about hitting a guy when he's down :-(
On Wednesday, I'll be at USCF for my first appointment there.
I'll have to go back and re-read, but it sounds like flare ups can last months at a time, no?
Working FT, and FT parenthood will keep me from writing as often as I would like, but I'll be back. Thanks again.
Dave
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 1:55 PMit gets better in some ways, Dave. Understanding comes.
<<RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?>>
Seriously, this SHOULD look like a foreign language to all of us, but it makes perfect sense to me!
May you find peace and understanding here and off in your real life, too. Here's hoping for peace and understanding for all of us broken bodies.
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 5:06 PMAlthough they no longer use 'tapes', live music 'tapers' will mark segues with '->'. That's where I got that from.
Beauracratic snafu kept me from being seen @ UCSF MS Center. I was about this close > < to paying out of my own pocket, but got a rescheduled appointment this Weds. In the meantime, the pain is still knocking the shit out of me. -
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Fri, September 12, 2008 - 2:57 AMCFS/FMS would have an overall sense of hypersensitivity (hyperalgesia) that feels like every cubic micrometer of your body is irritated and painful (less like acute pain though; almost as though you have the physical sensation of anxiety that pervades the entire body.)
Do you have muscle twitches? Do you have a daily periodicity to the fatigue or is it constant (usually depending on activities engaged?) You could also get a neuropsych done and if you have decreases in verbal IQ (more receptive than expressive usually) and decreases in performance IQ with deficits in short term memory (but the damage is usually focal and can vary) then you may have CFS/FMS.
You could also have your heart checked for cardiomyopathy with a Holter monitor (regular EKG will not catch it; the difference between CFS and FMS acc. to Paul Cheney is the addition of the cardiomyopathy to the polio-like brain damage that occurs in both.)
Look up your ESR [erethyrocyte sp?sedimentation rate; a standard blood test for inflammation] and if it's 4 or below, it could indicate CFS/cardiomyopathy [normally low sed rate doesn't mean anything but acc. to Cheney, it's no coincidence that these are the only two known diseases with low sed rates.])
Just a few ideas to check out.
P.S., find out if the MRI that you had was a 1.5 gauss. The regular, older brain MRI's cannot pick up the smaller pencil tip sized "holes" in CFS/FMS brains (exactly like post-polio and AIDS dementia) and it has to be a 1.5 gauss machine. -
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Fri, September 12, 2008 - 3:12 AMP.P.S., the best books I have found on CFS and FMS:
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia and Other Invisisble Illnesses The Comprehensive Guide by Katrina Berne, PH.D.- a good overall guide with most of the most current research and ideas for treatment, etc.
The Polio Paradox by Richard Bruno, H.D., PH.D.-Mostly about Post polio but goes into the history of polio and the illnesses related to it such as CFS and FMS and that are likely caused by the non-polio enteroviruses. Chapter 17 is the direct comparison between post polio and CFS/FMS and the epidemiological history of ilness outbreaks over the past 80 years that are likely to be caused by the types of pathogens described.
Betrayel By the Brain by Jay Goldstein-Dense, complicated, and fascinating. Although more than most doctors can handle in terms of the neurophsyiology and the complexity of the pharmacology discussed; much of it really is a discussion on the physiology of nociceptive pain systems, sensory gating, and hyperalgesia.
Osler's Web by Laura Hillebrand-The History of the Lake Tahoe outbreak and the subsequent (non) response by the CDC, NIH, and the government in general to CFS. Searing, condemning, and scary; it really documents how the "powers that be" just want to continue to put their heads in the sand and ignore one of the biggest health disasters of the modern age.
Hope that helps.
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 10:56 PMI AM NOT A DOCTOR! Just to be clear, before I begin.
Dave,
I'm disabled due to multiple medical conditions including chronic headaches and joint pain from Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS). EDS is a connective tissue disorder in which your body doesn't create enough collagen so I'm super flexible, but in severe pain at all times do to the muscle tension. I also have Dysautonomia (including P.O.T.S.); this condition affects my autonomic nervous system causing my automatic body functions (breathing, skin temp, blood flow, etc) to go hay-wire!
Anyway, my point is saying all of that is to say this:
1) For the pain I've had a Medtronic Intrathecal Medication Delivery Pump implanted and it delivers low doses of pain medication (Dilaudid) directly to my spine to be spread though-out my body. It has changed my life! If you're pain is that severe, you should definitely research this option!
2) If you are having increasing intolerance to heat, you may want to research Dysautonomia and/or Lupus. That is a prominent symptom of each condition.
I hope this information helps you in some way. If you have any questions, feel free to message me and I'll reply ASAP.
~Lisa H .
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Fri, April 10, 2009 - 5:53 PMSorry that I missed your original post, but I will jump in now. In my experience and somewhat limited medical education, my belief is that most of the time we just don't know. Some of my symptoms are similar and some are different and all of them can have multiple causes. I have been diagnosed with everything from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, non-specific connective tissue disorder, Epstein-Barr syndrom, arthritis - all the way to simplistic judgments that I must be a hypochondriac or drug-seeker. After all of these years, I still do not have any real answer, but I have found some relief. I still have pain daily, but I try to minimize it by taking ibuprofen regularly, seeing a chiropractor and massage therapist when I can afford it, and taking a muscle relaxer at bedtime (sometimes more when the pain is really bad.)
My symptoms include:
~ Whole left side of body is tingly, sometimes numb, sometimes to the point of being painful. I have tingling and numbness, but only in the extremities - feet and toes, hands and arms - sometimes running all the way up my arms.
~ RLS / I don't experience RLS, but I do get what I call RAS - restless arm syndrome with numbness, tingling, twitching. My doc said to try Iodine first before any major meds.
~ Sleep disorders - Welcome to my world! Trouble falling asleep at night and when I do finally sleep, it only lasts 1-3 hours and I'm awake again.... and dreadfully uncomfortable.
~ Short term memory loss - I get a little of this, but I think it is just a result of sleep deprivation and constant pain.
~ Insomnia - Same as sleep disorder.
~ Decreasing tolerance of heat - I have absolutely no tolerance for heat. I need cool room temp and ice for sore spots.
~ Difficulty prioritizing important tasks - Again, this could be from lack of sleep and distraction from pain, but it is also commonly associated with depression.
~ Geographical disorientation - Nope, nothing like this for me.
~ Chronic fatigue - Is it lack of sleep or something else?
~ Chronic (deep/sharp) aches and pains - I could write a book on this. I'm always in pain. For me, I have terrible days and not so terrible days, but I cannot remember the last time I had a day, even a moment without pain.
~ Depression - A tricky one here, kinda like the chicken and egg question. Suffering chronic pain, dealing with the boss and financial issues and not knowing just what is wrong can lead to depression. Or, it could be a chemical imbalance in the brain chemistry. It could be a temporary response to your situation or something else. My advice is to thoroughly explore the situation with both medical and psych doctors. And don't let them write you off. Sadly, I have seen too many doctors just say, "Oh, it's just depression," without looking further. On the upside, antidepressant meds often help with the pain issues as well.
- Oh, and there is the burning hot oil pain that you mentioned. I get it around the area of neck and shoulders, shooting down my arms at the worst.
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Re: RLS -> MS? Or FMS? Or CFS? Or___?
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:32 PMIs it at all possible you may have been bitten by a tick? Lyme's disease can contain all these symptoms.
The Osteopath I go to also treats people with Lyme's and, talking with them in the waiting room, I have heard them complain of all these things.
If you have not been bitten by a tick, then I guess maybe not ;-)